Comments on: Good artists copy, great artists steal http://episteme.ca/2007/02/28/good-artists-copy-great-artists-steal/ Sat, 04 Feb 2012 10:41:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: jd http://episteme.ca/2007/02/28/good-artists-copy-great-artists-steal/comment-page-1/#comment-196 jd Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:14:12 +0000 http://episteme.ca/wp/?p=242#comment-196 Why is 37S being so selfish? Their design seems so familiar, so recognizable. But I've never seen their site before--never heard of them before 30 minutes ago. Why is 37S being so selfish? Their design seems so familiar, so recognizable. But I’ve never seen their site before–never heard of them before 30 minutes ago.

]]> By: Observer http://episteme.ca/2007/02/28/good-artists-copy-great-artists-steal/comment-page-1/#comment-158 Observer Thu, 01 Mar 2007 15:47:46 +0000 http://episteme.ca/wp/?p=242#comment-158 The whole thing is extremely silly, in my opinion. It's not like 37signals has some great, ground breaking Web design. I've seen better pages designed by 12 year olds. Which, frankly, is kind of what 37signals is acting like here. The whole thing is extremely silly, in my opinion. It’s not like 37signals has some great, ground breaking Web design. I’ve seen better pages designed by 12 year olds. Which, frankly, is kind of what 37signals is acting like here.

]]> By: Jon Robinson http://episteme.ca/2007/02/28/good-artists-copy-great-artists-steal/comment-page-1/#comment-156 Jon Robinson Thu, 01 Mar 2007 15:11:33 +0000 http://episteme.ca/wp/?p=242#comment-156 How do you own a design? How can there be ownership of anything that isn't scarce or tangible? Basically, 37Signals is telling Mike that he can't do what he wants with his own computer. And who doesn't lift CSS files or color schemes and use them as a basis for a new design? Nothing is created in a vacuum. How do you own a design? How can there be ownership of anything that isn’t scarce or tangible? Basically, 37Signals is telling Mike that he can’t do what he wants with his own computer. And who doesn’t lift CSS files or color schemes and use them as a basis for a new design? Nothing is created in a vacuum.

]]> By: KBurnett http://episteme.ca/2007/02/28/good-artists-copy-great-artists-steal/comment-page-1/#comment-155 KBurnett Thu, 01 Mar 2007 12:29:05 +0000 http://episteme.ca/wp/?p=242#comment-155 Two people speaking different languages? Go figure... Two people speaking different languages? Go figure…

]]> By: Mike Murray http://episteme.ca/2007/02/28/good-artists-copy-great-artists-steal/comment-page-1/#comment-154 Mike Murray Thu, 01 Mar 2007 06:58:49 +0000 http://episteme.ca/wp/?p=242#comment-154 Jason, I deleted your comment last night in a moment of frustration after a very long day. My apologies for letting my frustration get the better of me. My frustration wasn't, however, because you "pointed out" anything. (Of course I copied the CSS file when I was using your design as my basis: that's where most of the design is... although after 8 hours of editing, there's not much left of the originals) My real frustrated thought was: "I gave this guy what he wanted, posted a mea culpa publicly, and he's still trying to get in the last word?" I completely understood your point yesterday in our private email discussion that my site was too close to yours in "look and feel" that you felt that it infringed on your design. "Design" is a nebulous concept involving (as you pointed out) layout, look and feel, concept and other things. As I have stated, my goal was to copy the concepts of your design and bring my own style to it after I confirmed that it didn't look stupid. Which it didn't - you guys are, as I pointed out originally, great designers. I was standing on the shoulders of giants. I have no issue with you enforcing your copyright, especially since my design strayed too close to yours. It was never my intent to let it be that close, and I *immediately* took it down when you pointed that out. I trust that we can put this behind us at this point. -Mike Jason,

I deleted your comment last night in a moment of frustration after a very long day. My apologies for letting my frustration get the better of me.

My frustration wasn’t, however, because you “pointed out” anything. (Of course I copied the CSS file when I was using your design as my basis: that’s where most of the design is… although after 8 hours of editing, there’s not much left of the originals)

My real frustrated thought was: “I gave this guy what he wanted, posted a mea culpa publicly, and he’s still trying to get in the last word?”

I completely understood your point yesterday in our private email discussion that my site was too close to yours in “look and feel” that you felt that it infringed on your design. “Design” is a nebulous concept involving (as you pointed out) layout, look and feel, concept and other things. As I have stated, my goal was to copy the concepts of your design and bring my own style to it after I confirmed that it didn’t look stupid. Which it didn’t – you guys are, as I pointed out originally, great designers. I was standing on the shoulders of giants.

I have no issue with you enforcing your copyright, especially since my design strayed too close to yours. It was never my intent to let it be that close, and I *immediately* took it down when you pointed that out.

I trust that we can put this behind us at this point.

-Mike

]]> By: Jason Fried http://episteme.ca/2007/02/28/good-artists-copy-great-artists-steal/comment-page-1/#comment-149 Jason Fried Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:54:31 +0000 http://episteme.ca/wp/?p=242#comment-149 Why did you delete my comment? Because I pointed out that you also lifted our CSS file? If you don't think it's wrong then why did you delete my response? Why did you delete my comment? Because I pointed out that you also lifted our CSS file? If you don’t think it’s wrong then why did you delete my response?

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