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		<title>By: How Did Batseon Conclude Shoddy Epistomology!</title>
		<link>http://episteme.ca/2009/04/16/nlp-is-not-science/comment-page-1/#comment-2431</link>
		<dc:creator>How Did Batseon Conclude Shoddy Epistomology!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you? I Googled &quot;NLP shoddy epistemology&quot; and got some interesting hits. Here&#039;s one:  NLP is not Science &#124;  Here&#039;s a teaser passage:      Where it all went to H-E-double-hockey-sticks is when [Bandler and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] you? I Googled &quot;NLP shoddy epistemology&quot; and got some interesting hits. Here&#39;s one:  NLP is not Science |  Here&#39;s a teaser passage:      Where it all went to H-E-double-hockey-sticks is when [Bandler and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Latest NLP news &#8211; NLP is not Science &#124; Episteme &#171; BrightonNLP.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Latest NLP news &#8211; NLP is not Science &#124; Episteme &#171; BrightonNLP.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: NLP for Social Engineers &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>NLP for Social Engineers &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 00:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] state of NLP learning and its application to social engineering. It got me riled up enough to do a post on NLP and science a few months [...]</description>
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		<title>By: George Lambert</title>
		<link>http://episteme.ca/2009/04/16/nlp-is-not-science/comment-page-1/#comment-2420</link>
		<dc:creator>George Lambert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, neurolinguistic programing is indeed as pseudoscientific as it sounds.

More recently it has been discredited by over 100 practitioners and researchers of neuroscience:

http://knol.google.com/k/joe-greenfield/neurolinguistic-programming/2j6nlcky7q5vo/2#

Its in a top ten of most discredited interventions

Now thats an amazing result!  Show Paul Mckenna and watch his hair fall out altothether:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, neurolinguistic programing is indeed as pseudoscientific as it sounds.</p>
<p>More recently it has been discredited by over 100 practitioners and researchers of neuroscience:</p>
<p><a href="http://knol.google.com/k/joe-greenfield/neurolinguistic-programming/2j6nlcky7q5vo/2#" rel="nofollow">http://knol.google.com/k/joe-greenfield/neurolinguistic-programming/2j6nlcky7q5vo/2#</a></p>
<p>Its in a top ten of most discredited interventions</p>
<p>Now thats an amazing result!  Show Paul Mckenna and watch his hair fall out altothether:)</p>
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		<title>By: What can NLP do for me? &#124; Self Help Blog</title>
		<link>http://episteme.ca/2009/04/16/nlp-is-not-science/comment-page-1/#comment-2013</link>
		<dc:creator>What can NLP do for me? &#124; Self Help Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 21:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: grander</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 21:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post!
NLP is a classic pseudo-science.. with some nasty commercial,self-help features.
The &quot;influence&quot; part of NLP is really silly.. parts are simply taken from the classic social psychology, others are just bullshit. A true classic on influencing people behavior is Robert Cialdini&#039;s work.

Paul Ekman&#039;s work is great too. His work on lie detection is amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post!<br />
NLP is a classic pseudo-science.. with some nasty commercial,self-help features.<br />
The &#8220;influence&#8221; part of NLP is really silly.. parts are simply taken from the classic social psychology, others are just bullshit. A true classic on influencing people behavior is Robert Cialdini&#8217;s work.</p>
<p>Paul Ekman&#8217;s work is great too. His work on lie detection is amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: Getting even better organizational results through personal development &#124; Self Help Blog</title>
		<link>http://episteme.ca/2009/04/16/nlp-is-not-science/comment-page-1/#comment-1997</link>
		<dc:creator>Getting even better organizational results through personal development &#124; Self Help Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 05:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Gadi Evron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gadi Evron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 02:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, great post! Thanks for taking the time and for your kind words.

First -- much respect for mentioning Paul Ekman. He is one of the only body language researchers I respect.

I am unsure why you believe I am disappointed with NLP, I am still examining it and having quite a bit of fun doing so.

I like how you portray NLP as the original experiment and documentation rather than the pseudo-science and “Shoddy Epistemology” (as you quote Bateson describing it).

One point I didn&#039;t like is that while you explain away NLP&#039;s eye accessing cues as a sort of &quot;wrong conclusion to good results&quot;, I think your explanation, while plausible, comes across in a vague fashion as more of a rationalization than anything else.

I look at eye movements as yet another thing to baseline during an interview which indicates thinking processes and intent, for example, rather than anything NLP-like.

Unrelated note, there is a new TV show called Lie to Me which is based on Paul Ekman&#039;s work in detecting lies. He is an advisor on the show.

While popularized, they are mostly careful about how they portray reading different signals, as they can mean quite a few different things from stress to not being honest about something else entirely which people think to themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, great post! Thanks for taking the time and for your kind words.</p>
<p>First &#8212; much respect for mentioning Paul Ekman. He is one of the only body language researchers I respect.</p>
<p>I am unsure why you believe I am disappointed with NLP, I am still examining it and having quite a bit of fun doing so.</p>
<p>I like how you portray NLP as the original experiment and documentation rather than the pseudo-science and “Shoddy Epistemology” (as you quote Bateson describing it).</p>
<p>One point I didn&#8217;t like is that while you explain away NLP&#8217;s eye accessing cues as a sort of &#8220;wrong conclusion to good results&#8221;, I think your explanation, while plausible, comes across in a vague fashion as more of a rationalization than anything else.</p>
<p>I look at eye movements as yet another thing to baseline during an interview which indicates thinking processes and intent, for example, rather than anything NLP-like.</p>
<p>Unrelated note, there is a new TV show called Lie to Me which is based on Paul Ekman&#8217;s work in detecting lies. He is an advisor on the show.</p>
<p>While popularized, they are mostly careful about how they portray reading different signals, as they can mean quite a few different things from stress to not being honest about something else entirely which people think to themselves.</p>
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